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Shadow_Avenger · Jun 08, 2005, 09:10 AM // 09:10

Totally off topic, but atleast it has some educational value.

Feli · Jun 08, 2005, 09:16 AM // 09:16

It is so funny reading so many fresh born racists speaking about the "great" deeds of their country. On top of that, i see so fricking much false educated history here, it makes me go vomit.
Oh geez, is this the world of today? Where everyone gets his own portion of truth about the history? You can't be serious about some comments on this thread. They are just so awfully racist, it is incredible. Where did you get those things? Oo

You know, probably one of you even believes in New Schwabenland where the Nazis are sending UFOs all over the world and Hitler still lives. GEeez, get a LITTLE bit of FACTED Education please people :/
Grab a history book and read it. And do not try making up facts of your own, or just because you found them in some internet site. Internet is BAD for educating yourself. Too many people with poor education thinking they are top notch educated are publishing stuff there.

Honestly, i never read so much racist trash as in this thread here for several years :/

/edit:
Being born and living in germany, i often wish that english general had completed his plan about turning germany into one huge natural park. Why? Just for the single reason i would not have been born a german.
You people see, i had no choice to chose the place of my birth. Yet EVERYONE expects me to endure the typical "Nazi" Comment thrown in my face... just for being born in this country. Everyone expects me to feel regret about the crimes "i" died in the second world war. Which crimes did i do again? I wasn't even BORN. Yet i am a criminal in the eyes of most people.
On top of that i'm getting labeled an outcast when i say i have nothing to do with the crimes of the second world war.

Read it:
I did not commit a single racist crime, i did not chose to get born in germany. You can now stop calling me and other similiar persons "nazi".

Shadow_Avenger · Jun 08, 2005, 09:26 AM // 09:26

Chill out, Feli. Nobody is accusing you. For those who lack the knowledge, the Nazi / SS were the German second world war equivilent to the American FBI. Only they where nastier, and ran things more like a military regime, they would kill you if you spoke against them, yes they kill hundred if not thousands of Germans too no just Jews.

WillOrWil · Jun 08, 2005, 09:29 AM // 09:29

"it's purely engineering task, not a scientific breakthrough."

It took a scientific breakthrough for that "enginerring task". Yeesh!

"Some tactics already changed. Strategy lessons were mostly learned from WW2."

No, for modern warfare most tactics were learned in the First Gulf War, Veitnam, etc... The days of WWII style fighting are over. There will no longer be large armies fighting one another. Iraq's army was not large or formidable so cannot even be compared to any of the armies in WWII.

"WW2. Thanks for proving that you don't think about what are you writing once again."

I do think about it. Obviously you don't. WWII nuclear bombs were deliverable ONLY by plane. Today's nuclear weapons can spam the globe. If you don't know how that changes strategy and tactics then you are a lost cause.

"Gorilla warfare? LOL
Guerilla btw. WW2 and earlier."

Nope, most prevailent now with terrorism. You can call it anything you want. But terrorist use those types of tactics. No longer are countries fighting other countries. Now they are fighting organizations and groups. This style of fighting is very effective too, look at Spain leaving the Coalition in Iraq. Look at the way Saddam bought off France, Germany and Russia with oil to stall the UK and the USA from going into Iraq.

"It's not a strategy and not tactics, it's a delivery vehicle. Besides, what's the tactical use of ICBMs? Ok, even strategical one?"

It is a strategy and tactic all its own and it causes a strategy and tactic to counter it. Even now countries are forming new and different ways to counter ICBM's and other long range missiles. The most well known was for short-ranged missiles during the Gulf War, the Patriot Missile. The USA is even now reviving the SDI and creating air-to-air, ground-to-air missle defense systems. If you can't understand how that revolutionizes warfare then you are a lost cause.

"Guidance system, just an improvement for already existing weapons....
Besides, self-guided torpedoes existed during WW2 if i am not mistaken."

There is no point discussing this if you even think current self-guided weapons even remotely are the same as WWII self-guided weapons. That is like calling a calculator a desktop computer...

"Probably that's why you don't know anything about WW2 - you read only USA books about it."

I stand corrected. I am guilty of thinking in an American way just as others here think Eurocentrically. I was wrong and I thank you for showing me that.

"LOL i wrote that just to taunt you. It worked.

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Don't worry, I wrote some of my things to taunt eventhorizon. I will not anymore since he has shown a Nazi flair to his thoughts...

"Like which ones?"

The most obvious one to think of is the Chinese Dynasties during the European Dark ages. They were the first to create steel, to advance enough to get to calculus, trigonometry, etc... They also created medicines that took Europe until the 18th and 19th century to compete with...penicilin not withstanding. Etc...etc... If you want to speak in terms of warfare then know the Chinese Dynasties were the first in all of recorded history to use Psychological Warfare.

"Gave it a glance, nothing special. If you know how to play strategy games, then there is nothing new there. Good for a newcomers who don't have a strategical thinking."

You should read it fully. You will see how much it has influenced you without you even knowing.

"No, i was mistaken. You're a board bull, you see red and CHAAAARGE across your keyboard. So funny

"

Yes and no. See, I was bored when I first started responding to all of this. I charged knowing it would cause others to see red. I admit this was quite entertaining and fun until eventhorizon gave a glimpse of his true Nazi self... But oh well...

Ellestar · Jun 08, 2005, 09:45 AM // 09:45

Besides, Russian team is already in a 10th place after 3 days http://ladder.guildwars.com/ladder.dll?name=Out+Of+Mana
Other Europe, don't fall back! It is time to assault the ladder

Makkert · Jun 08, 2005, 09:51 AM // 09:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by eventhorizen

Need I remind you about jet propelled missiles? The Atlantic fleets? The Bismarck and the tiger tank? The sherman was no match for the tiger. The Germans nicknamed them 'Tommy Cookers' because they would burst into flames when hit by a Tiger. Never the less the allies had no choice. On a side note the highly engineered German tanks suffered from needing complex spare parts, something the Russian Twhatever did not. Also in the unbelievable cold of Russian winter the German tanks tracks would freeze solid, so the Russian commanders would plan their attacks for dawn, when their opponents were immobilised. The Russians turned the tide of WWII by managing to defeat the unbeatable, due to exceptional luck, and ruthless execution. This forced the Germans into retreat, and changed the face of WWII.

Keep thinking America bailed out Europe, I wonder what the world would be like had you not entered the war. Heil!!!.

I usually refrain from threads like this, because they tend to become a 'who studied history best?' thread. But here i want to make a few remarks, breaking my own rule.
yes, the russians we're lucky. Stalin killed in his paranoia a lot of higher army commanders, which left the army weakened as well as the points the poster pointed out.
However it was also Germany's (read: Hitler) blindless for not adepting. They didn't take care of their long stretched supply lines, and even when commanders in Russia asked for a retreat to regroup, they weren't allowed to retreat. This were 2 major militairy blunders on Germany's side.

As for the:

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Add that with all that you previously said in your post and I need say nothing more. Wow....a Neo-Nazi on this board...just...wow....

Err...EU people...you really want this kind of person to speak for you? I decline to respond to eventhorizen anymore after this post.

no, he does not speak for Europe. No one can, just look at the trouble they have for coming to a Constitutional Law

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But that remark is probably generated from a strange behavior on US side i've noticed. Americans seem to regurlary want to remind Europeans that we owe them for bailing us out. A regurlar reminder like that tends to provoke a remark like the one eventhorizon posted. not that i agree with that remark, its trolling.

Mormegil · Jun 08, 2005, 12:29 PM // 12:29

How come no European knows the reason why Hitler stopped bombing Britain? It is quite simple actually. He needed raw materials, oil and alike to finally strike England in a decisive way. The long air battle had sucked german resources. The only way the Reich could acquire this goal was invading the vast lands of Russia: problem is the operation began too late and russian winter stopped the germans from taking Moscow. What happened later is well known. Everything I just wrote you could easily find in any serious history text, so I'm not playing the part of the smart one at all.

However, I don't like the way this thread is going. I opened it for a GW related issue, not to wake old and pointless nationalisms.

Can we please talk about the "different language districts" and Europe being owned daily in the Tomb of Primeval Kings please?

Thanks

Snowman · Jun 08, 2005, 03:10 PM // 15:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mormegil

However, I don't like the way this thread is going. I opened it for a GW related issue, not to wake old and pointless nationalisms.

Can we please talk about the "different language districts" and Europe being owned daily in the Tomb of Primeval Kings please?

Thanks

I agree and there have been alot of people already complaining about it on this thread...

Is there an admin in the house??

The Snowman

Mormegil · Jun 08, 2005, 03:29 PM // 15:29

Well, if people could stop posting OT, there would be no reason to close this thread...otherwise...I'm the one asking it.

DrSLUGFly · Jun 08, 2005, 03:52 PM // 15:52

back to OP, Europe is winning far more often than they once were. I notice them either holding or contending quite regularly now. I'm 100% in favor of the language districts.

eventhorizen · Jun 08, 2005, 07:24 PM // 19:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by WillOrWil

I admit this was quite entertaining and fun until eventhorizon gave a glimpse of his true Nazi self... But oh well...

Ill be asking the moderators to get you a ban for that. Pointing out the likelyhood of almost every human being being under Nazi leadership had certain aspects of the second world war not gone the way they did hardly makes me a Nazi.

However I did disagree with you, so I should expect a character assasination.

Your point about Geurilla warfare being used by Terrorists, thus it being modern is amusing. Christians around the time of Nero were hiding out in caves Bin Laden style, although without the rpg's and grenades.

Anyway, any form of warfare used by the USA, regardless of who inveted it, or when, has to be their own modern military work of genius, and any tactic used by a foe, no matter who invented it or when, has to be the work of a modern military genius... lol

Im not a racist, not in the correct meaning of the word. The true racists of this world are the people who are using up everything around them to fulfill their own gluttonous desires, while over half the world starves to death, dies of curable diseases, or has a living standard worse than the domesticated animals of afore mentioned people. The true racists think that is ok.

It amuses me to see how so many people think wealth and military power some how equals high morality, or philosophical integrity. Like the Romans in the past thought, the people living the highest standard of life think they are the highest form of human being. They think they are somehow superior in all aspects, when really all that counts today is money, thus all you need to trick yourself into thinking you are superior is a good job in the right part of the world...

Call me a racist Nazi all you like, I believe in the supremacy of human dignity and consciousness over the evil of gluttony, greed, selfishness and enviromental and species wide rape.

ishar_dragon · Jun 19, 2005, 02:15 AM // 02:15

strange.. last time i saw this post it was about game issues, like the districts spreading... in the other hand, i shall give my opinion aswell, i consider myself, more than a european, a human that lives in huge community called world... not part of little countries or squared ideas... and i'm not saying that any group of people with customs, and related history should forget it to join a colectivity like ants... (or the borgs for the ones that saw star trek) but people tend to forget something easily, we all are people... no one is more worth than another, a life, is a life... and btw... i suggest that the tread go back it's main purpose, or get closed at all

King of Fools · Jun 19, 2005, 04:34 AM // 04:34

not much unity in the european union is there?

psibim · Jun 19, 2005, 05:22 AM // 05:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pandora's box

But what if the Favor of the Gods did not go to Korea, America or Europe, but to "The Red Dragons", "Tigerclaws" or "Polar Bears"? Organizations? And your GUILD has to join one of them, no matter from what country you are? It would be more of a challenge and make gameplay much more international. Just my 2-pence

Oh my, this comment hit me like head ---> rock. Truly awesome idea. The competition would (could) be ammense.

But, there's ofcourse the obvious problem. What if the big guns simply decided to join the same "organization". It would leave even less competition and frankly I don't see how you could work around that possibility however good an idea it seems.

LathalDraugr · Jun 19, 2005, 06:01 AM // 06:01

A few helpful corrections

Quote:

Originally Posted by WillOrWil

"it's purely engineering task, not a scientific breakthrough."

It took a scientific breakthrough for that "enginerring task". Yeesh!

Yes, a scientific breakthrough that was not performed or funded by any branch of the US government. That was performed by scientists prior to WW2 that all nations hoped to develop, but which the Americans were the first to sucessfully complete.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WillOrWil

"Some tactics already changed. Strategy lessons were mostly learned from WW2."

No, for modern warfare most tactics were learned in the First Gulf War, Veitnam, etc... The days of WWII style fighting are over. There will no longer be large armies fighting one another. Iraq's army was not large or formidable so cannot even be compared to any of the armies in WWII.

That tactics and strategy have changed since WW2 is undeniable, over 60 years and plenty of wars have passed but there have been few if any conflicts as revolutionary to tactics and strategy as WW2 in the last century.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WillOrWil

"WW2. Thanks for proving that you don't think about what are you writing once again."

I do think about it. Obviously you don't. WWII nuclear bombs were deliverable ONLY by plane. Today's nuclear weapons can spam the globe. If you don't know how that changes strategy and tactics then you are a lost cause.

You mean using the ICBMs developed by Wernher von Braun the man who made the V1 and V2 and based on these inventions, so absolutely no connection to WW2 then.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WillOrWil

"Gorilla warfare? LOL
Guerilla btw. WW2 and earlier."

Nope, most prevailent now with terrorism. You can call it anything you want. But terrorist use those types of tactics. No longer are countries fighting other countries. Now they are fighting organizations and groups. This style of fighting is very effective too, look at Spain leaving the Coalition in Iraq. Look at the way Saddam bought off France, Germany and Russia with oil to stall the UK and the USA from going into Iraq.

Who you are fighting does not necessarily change how you fight them, especially at ground level. As for the comment about Spain, thats a very simple understanding of a very complex issue and really only goes to show your grasp of contempary issues is about the same as your grasp of history. The comments about France et al only go to show any attempt to understand the past is going to be clouded by your current politics.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WillOrWil

"It's not a strategy and not tactics, it's a delivery vehicle. Besides, what's the tactical use of ICBMs? Ok, even strategical one?"

It is a strategy and tactic all its own and it causes a strategy and tactic to counter it. Even now countries are forming new and different ways to counter ICBM's and other long range missiles. The most well known was for short-ranged missiles during the Gulf War, the Patriot Missile. The USA is even now reviving the SDI and creating air-to-air, ground-to-air missle defense systems. If you can't understand how that revolutionizes warfare then you are a lost cause.

Patriot missles are really more designed for SRBMs rather than ICBMs and even then the sucess rate is pretty low. Missile defence programs in development at the moment just do not have the capability to defeat massed MIRVed ICBMs they are instead designed to defeat a small number of missiles fired by a technologically inferior enemy. Although ICBMs have revolutionised warfare in the sense it just doesn't happen between states with ICBM capability. But that doesn't really directly change the wars that are fought.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WillOrWil

"Guidance system, just an improvement for already existing weapons....
Besides, self-guided torpedoes existed during WW2 if i am not mistaken."

There is no point discussing this if you even think current self-guided weapons even remotely are the same as WWII self-guided weapons. That is like calling a calculator a desktop computer...

Increasing the accuracy of weapons does allow for a slight change in tactics but hardly a revolutionary one.

pionata · Jun 19, 2005, 06:33 AM // 06:33

Arena net need to understand that there is french people in america also (Montreal and Quebec city for example) ... I woudnt mind at all playing on french servers but for the moment it is impossible to select some with my version.

That is wierd since the manual that came with the game is both in french and english.

And there is tons of players out here, at least one district would be filled.

King of Fools · Jun 19, 2005, 07:53 AM // 07:53

Anet should probably implement language districts on north america and korea servers. i.e. well, spanish, french, and english for north america.

in the meantime, there should be no problem with you switching from north america server to europe server. switching your lang options to french will automatically put you in the french language districts.
my french is just so so and honestly after all the BS i went thru with draconian language police and Loi 101 in quebec. i am not fond of the language at all and only speak it if i absolutely have to. before the district split, it was often easier to get a french speaking group than an english one so i imagine you would have fun.

EmperorTippy · Jun 19, 2005, 08:25 AM // 08:25

Why in a thread about Europe being a loser land in GW do we have a debate about where Alexander the Great was born, who invented the atomic bomb, what affect WW2 has had on the strageys and tatics of todays millitarys, how much people whine, and many other way off topic posts?

Yes I realize that my post is probabily off topic also.

As to what the OT was I'm on the American servers because I live in America and am in a guild with many europeans who are good at PvP and GvG and their main complaint with the european servers was that the people sucked. I wonder if all the good europeans have come to amercian servers because the could find no good people on the euro servers as they had had the same problem and came to america. this creates a cycle with europe becomeing a n00b land with crappy PvP players.

Maagus · Jun 19, 2005, 08:46 AM // 08:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by EmperorTippy

As to what the OT was I'm on the American servers because I live in America and am in a guild with many europeans who are good at PvP and GvG and their main complaint with the european servers was that the people sucked. I wonder if all the good europeans have come to amercian servers because the could find no good people on the euro servers as they had had the same problem and came to america. this creates a cycle with europe becomeing a n00b land with crappy PvP players.

I have only few words to this.
Generalizing is so easy, isn´t it ?

EmperorTippy · Jun 19, 2005, 08:51 AM // 08:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maagus

I have only few words to this.
Generalizing is so easy, isn´t it ?

Yes it is and its 0400 were I am and I have a fever of 102 so I'm sorry if I can't provide a better argument at the moment. Now this is just my opinion based on what I have seen and heard I might be compleatly wrong nut who really cares as some of the posts in this thread have been more incorrect than mine by a lot.